So, what’s a master bathroom remodeling project supposed to cost, anyway?
Like any construction project, the answer is, “How high is up?” You can spend an almost unlimited amount of money while tinkering around with any part of your house. Bathrooms are famous for costing big. If you want a bathroom that looks like one of Saddam Hussein’s old palaces, no one is going to stop you, and many TV hosts will egg you on. They might not stop you, but they are going to bill you. The potential cost of a bathroom remodeling project is exceeded only by a kitchen re-do or a divorce on the scale of what things cost. Many kitchen and bath remodeling projects end in divorce, so I lumped them all together.
But I’m slipping out of touch with such matters. When you don’t have any money, it’s pointless to wonder how much things cost. To us, the Hometown cable show is Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous. You have a budget for throw pillows? OK, Rockefeller. I used to rely on Means Residential Square Foot cost books (Contractor Pricing Guide) to ballpark construction projects. They came out every year, and were pretty accurate. They were swallowed up by some other business, but they still publish them, I guess. You can buy one here. Make sure you bring money. Most of their books cost about what I’d budget for completing the whole project, so I haven’t bought one for a very long time.
Hey, let’s ask the internet. The internet is free, and worth it, as I often remark. Let’s ask it what a master bathroom remodeling job might cost. Hey look, the Orange Place pops right up, and comes across with an answer right off:
I don’t know why I bother to write jokes when they’re just lying around on the internet like that. And I don’t know about you, but I have a strict policy on these matters. I don’t care if it’s a BMW or a bathroom, I don’t poop in anything that costs $30,000 and up. And just between you, me, and the wall, it’s very unlikely that I’ll be installing a $30,000 bathroom in my $24,000 house, even though that bulleted list is pretty much exactly what we’re aiming to accomplish, just not in the dreary style they’ve achieved in the picture. Thirty grand for a Home Depot-grade bathroom is like ordering champagne with your Big Mac, or putting premium gas in a rental car. We can do better, with a lot less.
So I did a little pricing of my own, back when we were planning this foofarah. What’s a plastic shower base cost?
How about a plastic enclosure to go with it?
I wasn’t allura-ed by the designs or the finishes, and my bathroom already has a mustee smell, thank you very much. Even for this crapola, if you add the cheapest versions together, the shower stall is around $550. It ain’t worth it. I just got rid of the Reagan’s-first-term version of this shower enclosure, remember? I hated it. I would hate these, even if they were new. I figured we could do better. I got to poking around, and discovered things have gotten way, way better in the shower world in the last five years or so. We got one of these, instead, for about the same money:
It might be one of their best sellers, but the Orange Place didn’t sell one to us. We didn’t pay over $500 for it either. We don’t shop like regular humans anymore.
First, I went to Amazon. I treat Amazon the way other people used to treat Best Buy. Everyone looked at stuff on the shelves in Best Buy, and then went home and bought it off Amazon. Well, since Amazon has become some kind of weird bazaar of drop-ship villainy and warehouses heaving with counterfeit goods and pop bottles filled with warm yellow liquids, I treat them like they treated Best Buy. I find what I want, look in the right hand column to see who’s actually selling it at rock bottom prices, and see if they have their own store outside of Amazon. Many, if not most, do now. I found Contractors Direct, verified they were real people in a real building that I could find if they cheated me, and bought it directly from them. They seem to find a way to give Amazon’s vigorish back to their customers if Amazon’s not involved. Same, stuff, rock bottom price, delivered in a couple of days, in perfect shape. I’d rather give my money to regular humans in Connecticut than pay Jeff Bezos’ alimony.
So you might look at that weird collection of orange stuff and wonder how you’re supposed to make a shower out of it. The minute I saw it, I knew exactly how to use it, because I knew the old-fashioned shower construction arrangement it superseded. I used to perform construction work in mansions, and sometimes they wanted an old-school walk-in shower enclosure. Thirty years ago, only the very wealthy could afford a walk-in shower. They were labor and material intensive.
You’d begin by framing out a stall. Then a copper liner was fabricated to act as the base. It went up the walls about six inches. The seams were all soldered. That sounds inexpensive, doesn’t it? Once it was in place, expanded metal lath was stapled on the studs, usually over a sheet of heavy plastic or sometimes tar paper, to keep the moisture in the shower. Then two or three coats of mortar were smooshed on the lath, usually by a very skilled mason, sometimes by a plasterer. A tilesetter would usually install the mortar bed that went inside the copper tray. It was a tricky installation; it had to slope enough in four directions to get water to run into the drain, but not be so steep it was uncomfortable to stand on. Then the whole thing was tiled to a fare-thee-well.
So I saw the Schluter apparatus and had a kitten over it. The orange membrane is waterproof. You apply it to regular drywall like wallpaper, except you use thinset mortar instead of wallpaper paste. The floor is a plastic sheet with a hole for the drain, already sloped properly and covered with the same membrane. There’s gaskets for the holes for the plumbing fixtures, and a pre-made, waterproof curb. There’s rolls of membrane for any seams. You can trim all the plastic stuff to size with a utility knife. It’s rich folks stuff for less than poor folks stuff costs. And the price was low enough that we could afford to buy two pre-made niches for soap and shampoo, too, and still get out of the deal for less than a shabby plastic shower tray and surround.
All I have are fuzzy pictures and dad jokes, but you can watch the Schluterman put one in, if you’re interested or bored or Jeff Bezo’s ex-wife, waiting around for your alimony check:
So, we became instant Schluter devotees here at the cottage. It’s entered the lexicon. We no longer take showers. We schluter. “Have you schlutered yet, dear?”
[To be continued]




8 Responses
“It’s rich folks stuff for less than poor folks stuff costs.”
Pretty much the same thing applies to home cooking vs. fast-food/restaurant meals. Heck, I can’t even find a place that has gazpacho on the menu, and an idiot (present company included) can make it.
Hi Mike- Thanks for reading and commenting.
You’re very, very right about home cooking.
Here at the cottage we only have one rule about judging the value of any service we receive. You have to be able to do it better than we can do it ourselves, if you want us to pay you to do it. That’s it. The number of people who can’t make it over even that low bar increases every day. I’ve sat in doctor’s office, and thought, aren’t you supposed to know more about this than I do? Car mechanics, too. Doing most everything yourself isn’t being stingy so much as a form of self-defense these days.
We also have the Fried Chicken Rule at my house. My wife discourages me from cooking anything, no matter how economical or tasty, if it results in a big mess. So we pay folks for fried chicken.
I watched the video, and they make me believe that even I could build a walk-in shower.
I suspect it would not go quite so easily if I tried it, but that I could actually do it.
In the last year we had a complete bathroom installed, partly with insurance money, and they built the shower stall with different technology. Lots of membranes and custom masonry to achieve the same goal.
Hi lpdbw- Thanks for reading and commenting.
Like you said, the materials make it possible, not necessarily easy.
Back in 2010, we rented a two-year-old McMansion in the best part of this small town. It was in a new development with several different contractors building the various homes.
I think you will love to hear about our “master shower”. The center point where the drain was was raised about the tile floor by close to 1.5 inches!!! YUP — you got it. The landlord was very nice and provided us with a rubber edged type long-handled squeegee, so we could mop up the extra standing water before exiting the shower–because gosh only knows it would have still been standing there the next morning! Everyone said, our contractor was the best in the development! Oh, but then should I tell you about the sheet of ice running down the inside of our bay window–covering the entire window and my laptop that was sitting on the edge? Yeah baby that house was two years old. Not to worry–here in the great wilderness state of MT–it did not have any yard–saving space for . . .oh I remember saving space for “affordable” housing. Wonder WTH that will be like!! 🙂
Hi Anne- Thanks for reading and commenting.
When you mentioned that the shower problem was in a new development, I immediately sensed what the problem might be. In my essays, I’ve mentioned that sometimes I’m doing things much differently because we’re living in the house, and I’m the only person doing the work, basically.
New houses don’t get built like that. Each subcontractor comes in and does his thing, and then leaves. The plumber in your house came in, set the shower drain at a height he guessed at. He might have asked the general contractor, who gave him bad, or no info, so he took a stab at it and left. The tile setter came in later and did what he was paid to to, lay tile around the drain. He’s not responsible, because basically no one is. When you’re doing all the work yourself, you don’t leave time bombs like that for the next guy, because you’re the next guy, too. And the customer.
Our current home is a 1999 build, and the folks we bought it from didn’t like the original bathroom and had it remodeled by a general contractor. Overall pretty good work, but the major flaw in the walk-in shower (we’re guessing it replaced a tub/shower) is that the carpenter who framed the thing had probably never done a shower before. In a house that hasn’t settled much he didn’t have to work hard to make the floor of the shower, and the curb, PERFECTLY square, flat and level. “Level” is the key word.
Yes, the water pretty much stays where it falls until it gets deep enough to finally start to roll down into the drain. Not much more than a 1/4-inch or so, but leaving a quarter-inch of water standing on the shower floor leads to some fairly nasty things wanting to grow in it. Fortunately we’re in NW Wyoming where the humidity is almost always non-existent, so using a squeegee to swoosh (that’s a technical term) the water towards the drain is standard practice after a shower, followed by the use of the floor towel to mop up whatever’s left. Here in the desert you can generally hang up a soaking wet towel and have it dry in an hour, so it’s not a big deal.
When we re-did the bathroom in our old (1901) house I made sure to have a 5/16″ per foot pitch towards the drain (I think code calls for a minimum quarter-inch) when we laid the shower; we used a silicone rubber liner instead of formed copper. It’s actually harder to build that slope in than to have it level, but we’ve found that water generally likes to go downhill, and besides, the floor joists weren’t even close to level to begin with. You really couldn’t feel that slope just standing in it, but you could pour (and splash, and spray) water anywhere in that shower and it mostly ended up down the drain. Of course, in Minnesnowta in the summer the humidity is so high that if you leave a soaking wet towel hang out, what you get after three days of hanging is a soaking wet towel that has become a mold growth experiment.